When Does It Get Good?

E11: Letting Go of Control through Psychedelics & Plant Medicine, with My Husband Stephen Bourne

Unveiling the intricate synergy between psychedelics, plant medicine, and their profound impact on relationships, today's discussion offers enlightening insights into the transformative journeys of self-discovery and connection. In this episode, Zovig Garboushian joins her husband, Stephen Bourne, to share their personal experiences with these powerful healing tools.
 
Stephen discusses his journey with plant medicine, which began after a difficult divorce in 2008. Guided by a mentor, he discovered the emotional healing and profound insights these substances can provide.
 
Zovig and Stephen delve into the transformative effects of psychedelics like MDMA, psilocybin, and LSD on their relationship. They explain how these substances have deepened their connection, facilitated open communication, and offered new perspectives on personal challenges. They emphasize the importance of self-love, shedding preconceptions, and understanding oneself beyond societal labels and achievements.
 
The couple advocates for the respectful and conscious use of psychedelics and plant medicine, viewing them as sacred tools for personal development and self-discovery. This episode explores the therapeutic potential of psychedelics, offering valuable insights into personal and relational transformation.
 
Quotes
“I had defined my entire existence about what I did and not who I was. I had no value in who I was. All my value was what I did, how I did things, how well I worked, how good of a worker I was, or how good of an architect I was. Those were how I defined my worth. That exercise then leading into this heart opening medicine showed me that I am none of those things. Those are just things that I function as. It was such a core lesson really early on in my journey because it allowed me to separate and detach my experience internally from my experience externally and really start to distinguish that I am worthy even as I am because part of the lesson is that you are all these things.” (24:27 | Stephen Bourne) 
“There's something else about me that goes beyond architect or father or fisherman. And I exist before any of those things. My worthiness is not dependent on what I do. It’s just dependent on me showing up as me.” (27:42 | Stephen Bourne)
“Every failure is not an indictment on your worthiness or yourself or why you’re here. It’s just another lesson.” (32:36 | Stephen Bourne) 
 
Links
Connect with Stephen Bourne:
Website: https://siteplanmix.com/
 
Coaching From Essence: coachingfromessence.com
 
Connect with Zovig Garboushian:
Website: www.boldnessablazecoaching.com
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E10: Why Tools, Tips & Tricks Don't Cure Self-Doubt

“A tool, while useful, cannot cure self-doubt,” says Zovig Garboushian, but it can guide our evolution. In this episode, Zovig challenges the allure of quick-fix solutions to complex behavioral issues in executive coaching. She discusses how frequent requests for tools to manage procrastination or public speaking anxiety often reveal deeper issues like self-doubt and emotional blockages.
 
Zovig introduces transformative coaching tools that go beyond mere advice, emphasizing self-reflection and alignment with one’s core values. Through personal stories and client examples, she shows how true change requires confronting the ‘thing behind the thing’—the underlying emotional and psychological issues, rather than superficial fixes. This episode invites listeners on a journey of self-awareness and growth, urging them to look beyond the surface for genuine personal and professional development.
 
Quotes
“Behavior is the easy thing to change when we can detach ourselves from the emotion that prevents us from doing the thing we want to do.” (03:24 | Zovig Garboushian) 
“Somewhere in the quest for the solution to procrastination or these other how-tos that we’re looking for lies a lingering self-doubt or a lack of self-trust or a disconnection with yourself. And that’s where we need to be putting our time and attention. That’s what we need to address because a tool will not cure your self-doubt.” (06:37 | Zovig Garboushian) 
“I come back to the idea that a tool, while useful, cannot cure self-doubt. We are human beings. We are always evolving. There is no getting there because there's always a new ‘there’ to go toward. But what you can do is notice your evolution. Notice that the doubt or the anxiety or the worry or the fear as you evolve comes with less frequency. And when it comes, it’s less intense and it is shorter in duration.” (25:01 | Zovig Garboushian) 
 
Links
[book] Coaching From Essence by Robert Ellis: https://www.prairielightsbooks.com/book/9780971752221
 
Connect with Zovig Garboushian:
Website: www.boldnessablazecoaching.com
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E9: DJ Meets Corporate Leadership With Emily Griffin

“Being an artist absolutely is what keeps me, ‘me’ in the corporate ecosystem,” says DJ and Director of Programs for Microsoft’s Global Experiences, Emily Griffin. In this episode, Emily discusses how she balances her roles in tech and music while maintaining her authenticity.
 
At Microsoft, Emily shapes the organizational culture to boost employee engagement and aligns company values with personal behaviors, enhancing both professional and personal growth. She shares her passion for DJing, which serves as a liberating and empowering creative outlet, helping her connect with others through music.
 
Emily draws parallels between her roles as a DJ and corporate leader, highlighting skills such as reading the room and improvising, which are crucial in both areas. She shares insights into the challenges and rewards of balancing her diverse roles, emphasizing the importance of mentorship, self-awareness, and continual growth.
 
Quotes
“I came back to Microsoft as a culture designer and it’s been a really amazing journey of leadership and understanding the depth of humanity, of the needs of the people that I serve. We talk a lot about customer experiences, serving customers, and serving the whole world. And for me, my product is our employees. I’m focused on them and their needs. And that all really came out of my passion for people, relationships, and culture in general.” (02:50 | Emily Griffin) 
“I’ve been a DJ for as long as I can remember, really. But I came up in my career as a music artist, producer, and community builder. So I really came into tech from that entertainment and music background. And I’ve managed to keep that balance. Being an artist absolutely is what keeps me, ‘me’ in the corporate ecosystem.” (03:28 | Emily Griffin) 
“I burned out from DJing and the music world. I burned out from tech. I’m on the other side of rising up from that hard learning and redefining what success is for me is making an impact. It’s part of what drives me and why I care about the connection piece and the being human piece at work.” (32:11 | Emily Griffin)
 
Links
Connect with Emily Griffin:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilygriffin/
Instagram: @emilygriffingrrl https://www.instagram.com/emilygriffingrrl/
Great Mondays Book: https://www.greatmondays.com/book
 
Connect with Zovig Garboushian:
Website: www.boldnessablazecoaching.com
 
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E8: My Work With Psychedelics and Plant Medicine

There is a place for psychedelics in the pursuit of personal growth according to Zovig Garboushian. In this episode, Zovig shares her experiences with MDMA, LSD, and psilocybin, showing how these tools have profoundly shaped her understanding and acceptance of herself. Emphasizing that her insights are drawn from personal use rather than professional advice, Zovig invites listeners into her journey of transformation and self-discovery.
 
Initially skeptical, Zovig’s perception changed after her husband introduced her to the intentional and sacred use of substances like LSD, psilocybin, and MDMA. She describes how MDMA was pivotal in her battle against Graves’ disease by helping her cultivate self-love and acceptance. Psilocybin deepened her connection to her inner self and enhanced her truth-seeking, increasing her confidence and helping her overcome embarrassment. LSD and microdosing broadened her mental horizons, boosting her creativity and providing significant personal insights.
 
Zovig stresses the importance of having clear intentions and treating these experiences with the respect they merit. Her story is one of transformation, illustrating how, when used thoughtfully and purposefully, these substances can be potent tools for self-discovery and growth.
 
Quotes
“We need to talk about the value of psychedelics and plant medicine more because there is more and more research coming out that it is useful for people dealing with depression and anxiety and other kinds of mental health issues.” (02:36 | Zovig Garboushian) 
“My purpose in using them is to simply explore myself. And so it's done quite a bit for me, things that I can't get to with therapy or coaching or other types of personal reflective work.” (02:52 | Zovig Garboushian) 
“That’s my mission. Interrupt patterns, crack doors open. Seek the truth about things… And psychedelics and plant medicine help get me there. They help me feel more comfortable in my own skin. They help me understand who I am. And when I do that for myself, I have more compassion and love for other people. And when I have more compassion and love for other people, life becomes easier. I don't know if you've noticed, but there is a huge lack of compassion and love in our world right now. So if we can learn to give it to ourselves, imagine what that could be like if we gave it outward.” (34:58 | Zovig Garboushian) 
 
Links
Connect with Zovig Garboushian:
Website: www.boldnessablazecoaching.com
 
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E7: The Many Faces of Confidence with Startup Founder Danielle Letayf

“Are we born with it? Do we develop it? Is it a choice? Is it the result?” Zovig Garboushian ponders the essence of confidence. “And I say, yes, it's all of those things. And by the way, it looks different on everyone,” she asserts. In this episode, Zovig sits down with Danielle Letayf, CEO and founder of Badassery, to explore the multifaceted nature of confidence and uncover the layers that elude even the most outwardly successful individuals.
 
Danielle shares her journey to founding Badassery, driven by a desire to amplify diverse voices and narratives in sectors where they are often marginalized. She discusses the necessity of confidence in her role as a startup CEO, even when it feels forced. Her story exemplifies the power of representation in one’s field and the importance of creating spaces where others can also thrive.
 
Zovig and Danielle tackle common misconceptions about confidence, revealing that it is not a monolith but a varied and dynamic trait. They discuss how confidence can be quietly powerful and does not need to conform to extroverted or traditionally assertive molds. This redefinition is crucial for leaders to understand, as it broadens the scope of what effective leadership can look like. Addressing the personal challenges of the imposter experience, both women share intimate details of their struggles with self-doubt. They explore practical strategies for overcoming these hurdles, such as taking risks in small steps, keeping track of accomplishments, and seeking honest conversations with peers and mentors.
 
This episode leaves listeners with a piece of advice: pursue your calling thoughtfully and at your own pace. This guidance resonates as an encouragement to embrace one's unique journey towards confidence and leadership.
 
Quotes
“It has been really difficult, but I found myself that when I got into that flow, of that kind of trust in myself and my team, I naturally felt more at ease. I felt it's much easier to have that clarity, to have that peace. And to me, that means confidence, because it means you're calm, cool, collected in some ways and you're firm on your beliefs. And then I think the second piece of it to me was the word ‘necessary.’ I sometimes don't feel like I have a choice. If I cannot really be unwavering, I can in some situations. I allow myself that flexibility. Obviously, I'm not like every morning waking up like, ‘Danielle, do this. You have to do that.’ I don't ignore those things. But I do think the nature of this job or of founding a company, there's a necessity to have some semblance of confidence, even if you don't want it to be.” (06:18 | Danielle Letayf) 
“It's kind of often what we're rewarded with is sort of being like this very outwardly spoken person who people listen to, who takes up the space. And that's just not me. And I don't think that's many people. And I realized over time that it's okay. And I truly value substance.” (17:40 | Danielle Letayf)
“I think it's up to us as leaders and individuals to understand what it takes for each person to be confident because people just have different personalities, different ways of communicating, different ways of showing up.” (19:42  | Danielle Letayf) 
“Taking a risk doesn't have to be something that is as huge as we feel it is. The way that I approach risk—and I get asked this question a lot around risk and calling—is actually with baby steps. I think oftentimes we think where we see the stories of jumping off the deep end and just doing it. It's not realistic.” (28:51  | Danielle Letayf)
 
Links
Connect with Danielle Letayf:
Danielle's Bio: https://speak.badassery-hq.com/speaker_public/danielle-letayf
Badassery Website: www.badassery-hq.com
Danielle's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielleletayf/
 
Connect with Zovig Garboushian:
Website: www.boldnessablazecoaching.com
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E6: You Are Not a Fake - A R.E.A.L. Way to Debunk the Imposter

“I don't believe in impostor syndrome,” says Zovig Garboushian, as she challenges the terminology itself and explores the unsettling experience faced by many achievers and leaders. Zovig discusses how environments filled with comparisons and the constant need to prove one's worth can amplify feelings of imposter syndrome. She touches upon the added pressure faced by those who stand out due to their unique demographic characteristics, and how certain high-stakes company cultures, similar to those of companies like Google and Amazon, can foster a cycle of self-doubt.
 
Zovig introduces the REAL framework: Recognize, Examine, Acknowledge, Leverage. This approach is designed to help individuals to deescalate the impostor experience by encouraging them to recognize and label their feelings, examine the validity of these self-doubts, acknowledge their achievements, and leverage this understanding to shift towards a more confident personal narrative.
 
Zovig shares her own struggle with feeling like an imposter at a conference and reflects on how minimizing her accomplishments and giving in to the need to prove her worth only fueled her self-doubt. She suggests that applying the REAL framework could have transformed her experience, advocating for this method as a tool for mental fitness and a step towards confidence and authentic self-appreciation.
 
Quotes
"It's a natural thing to feel self-doubt. It is our job to find ways to help ourselves get back to reality and back to facts when we are feeling it." (00:15 | Zovig Garboushian)
"Our world is unfortunately designed more for comparison and proving than it is to welcome the individuality and uniqueness of people." (06:34 | Zovig Garboushian)
"All of this faking is why we feel like imposters, because we're behaving in ways that aren't natural to us. All of the proving and the perfectionism and the coping, that's not natural behavior." (09:32 | Zovig Garboushian) 
"If we don't gain control of our thinking, we lose control of ourselves. Our thoughts are pretty much the only thing we have true control over." (16:32 | Zovig Garboushian) 
 
Links
Connect with Zovig Garboushian:
Website: www.boldnessablazecoaching.com
 
5 Types of Imposters, Dr. Valerie Young Ed.D
https://impostorsyndrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/The5TypesOfImpostors-1.png
Secrets of Successful Women (And Men), Dr. Valerie Young, Ed.D
https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Thoughts-Successful-Women-Impostor/dp/0307452719
I Don’t Believe in Imposter Syndrome, Zovig Garboushian, STRIVE MAGAZINE
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xvknVaZayKwcj55MhApGuVls3oCKtLK3/view?usp=sharing
Stop Telling Women They Have Imposter Syndrome, Ruchika Tulshyan
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xtazF_T96V89Z-3nJf61TlP25vzuNVxY/view?usp=sharing
The Imposter Syndrome Files - We Are In Charge with Zovig Garboushian
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/we-are-in-charge/id1503572581?i=1000644348016
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E5: Shift Happens: Unexpected Career Moves with KiKi L'Italien

Feeling stuck in your career path or contemplating a significant change? Zovig Garboushian explores this question with her former colleague, KiKi L'Italien, the VP of Marketing for Big Red M and Editor-in-Chief of Association Chat. KiKi shares insights into her pivotal shift from a decade-long career as a solopreneur to embracing a role within a larger organization—a transition characterized by self-discovery and emotional challenges.
 
Delving into the courage it takes to challenge long-standing beliefs about professional identity and the importance of staying open to new opportunities, KiKi's story is a testament to vulnerability and the capacity to adapt without losing sight of one's core. Zovig highlights that KiKi's path of conscious choice and adaptation serves as an inspiration for anyone facing adversity, providing hope and a reminder of the strength that lies in self-awareness.
 
KiKi offers listeners actionable advice to approach recurring themes in their lives with curiosity and to explore why certain situations trigger discomfort. Her insights are a valuable guide for those navigating their relationship with their career and personal aspirations.
 
Quotes
"I like to create things. I like autonomy. I have a lot of great ideas and I like to build on them. What ended up happening was along the way, I started doing some work on myself where I was dealing with some stuff, with some past trauma. And I think for me, I'm 47 years old. And when you get to a certain point, hopefully if you're living life right, you become self-aware enough that you're like, well, let me get a little self-introspective here and begin to explore some of this stuff because there might be some things I need to sort out." (06:57 | KiKi L'Italien) 
"We can become just straight up bitter. We can become angry and just be that angry person. But there's a difference between being it and experiencing it. Experiencing it means it's a transient experience." (15:47 | Zovig Garboushian)
"I feel like the labels connected to entrepreneur, solopreneur, or employee should just become a little bit flexible because we can switch in and out. We can change as we need to. Basically, it's what works for us and as long as we don't get too tied with our identity, to what one of those labels mean, you can be entrepreneurial, you can definitely create things while you're working for somebody else." (24:31 | KiKi L'Italien) 
"Answering what's really bothering you is probably the most valuable thing that you can do." (43:55 | KiKi L'Italien) 
"If you see these themes in your life where there's this one sort of message that's coming to you pretty clearly over and over again, explore why, what is it about that that's really bothering you? And don't let go of exploring that because it might not just be locked in some sort of thing with your past or your history. It might be in the way that you engage with your career now. It might be in how you engage with your home life, your relationship to your health or fitness. It could be anything, but get curious." (44:01 | KiKi L'Italien) 
 
Links
Connect with KiKi L'Italien:
Website/Blog: https://associationchat.com/
Facebook/Meta: https://www.facebook.com/groups/AssociationChat
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kikilitalien/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kikilitalien/ 
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/kikilitalien
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/AssociationChat
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/42X3jBRrR8toIVugVZ6KMh
Connect with Zovig Garboushian:
Website: www.boldnessablazecoaching.com
 
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E4: How to Stop People Pleasing

"People-pleasing is a killer of our physical, emotional, financial, mental, and spiritual energy, and it's a total time suck," declares host Zovig Gaboushian as she delves into the detrimental impact of prioritizing others over oneself. Exploring the underlying causes of people-pleasing, from past traumas to an ingrained need for validation and fear of rejection, she discusses strategies for overcoming this behavior.
 
With a focus on understanding the roots and consequences of people-pleasing, Zovig explains why many people fall into this trap, even those who view themselves as confident and assertive. She breaks down the characteristics of people-pleasing: the inability to set boundaries, a tendency to overcommit and accommodate "energy vampires," among others. These behaviors not only teach others how to treat us but can also lead to burnout and a loss of self.
 
Zovig challenges listeners with introspective questions designed to confront their fears and reconsider their responses to requests from a place of self-respect. She advocates for setting boundaries as a critical step toward reclaiming one's time and energy.
 
This episode offers practical advice and encouragement for those looking to break free from people-pleasing and live a life characterized by genuine generosity, self-respect, and fulfilling connections.
 
Quotes
"We have all kinds of boundaries. And in people-pleasing, those boundaries are often violated. They're violated by always saying yes." (06:07 | Zovig Garboushian) 
"Procrastination is a big byproduct of people-pleasing. When we say yes to too many things or something we don't want to do, the motivation that we have to do it is probably slim to none." (14:24 | Zovig Garboushian)
"If you're people-pleasing, you're lying about what you really need." (21:29 | Zovig Garboushian)
"Take a look at Instagram, because there are many people on that platform that have amazing talent and skill, but they're just going for the likes. They just want the likes. That is a form of validation. When we don't believe our own story, essentially what we're doing is we're asking someone to fill in the blanks. When we don't believe in our own worth, we are asking for someone to tell us what we are worth. And we will be worth something different to everybody depending on what they need. So a need for validation can get us into trouble because we are disconnected. It's a clue and a sign that we might be disconnected from our own worth." (22:19 | Zovig Garboushian) 
"When you start to experiment with setting the boundaries, saying no more, or whatever your version of the people-pleasing was, and sort of limiting that people-pleasing, notice who's with you and who's for you and who's not. They will really surface what deserves your time and attention. And the impact of that, deeper relationships, deeper trust, and you get to have more respect and compassion and connection to yourself. Remember, you can lead or you can please, but you cannot do both." (30:46 | Zovig Garboushian) 
Links
Connect with Zovig Garboushian:
Website: www.boldnessablazecoaching.com
 
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E3: How to Let Go of Perfectionism

Perfectionism holds us back. While this may sound like stating the obvious, it's actually much more complex. Zovig Garboushian explores this complexity in this episode of “When Does It Get Good?” by delving into the nuanced differences between striving for excellence and falling into the trap of perfectionism—a path marked by external pressures, fear, and an insatiable drive for flawless performance.
 
Drawing a clear line between the healthy pursuit of excellence and the detrimental pursuit for perfection, Zovig illustrates how excellence fosters growth and learning, whereas perfectionism is rooted in the fear of not measuring up to external standards and expectations. She explores both the external forces, such as societal pressures and the influence of social media, and internal battles, including "all-or-nothing" thinking and the pervasive "not-enough" syndrome, that fuel perfectionism.
 
Zovig outlines actionable strategies for breaking free from the habit of perfectionism: recognizing and challenging perfectionist thoughts, engaging in self-reflection to rewrite empowering narratives, seeking support from communities that provide honest feedback, dissociating perfection from identity, and embracing excellence over perfection instead.
 
Through personal stories and experiences, this episode is both a reflection on Zovig’s own journey through perfectionism and a guide for others to discover their true potential by finding balance and self-compassion and choosing excellence over unattainable perfection. 
 
Quotes
"Pursuing perfectionism is not the same as pursuing excellence. Pursuing excellence is about wanting to do our best work at any given time and taking into account that we are always improving. Excellence is intrinsically motivated, which means it comes from within. It doesn't mean I'm trying to prove anything. Instead, I want to be excellent because when I do anything at my level of excellence, then it adds value to the world and it feels good while I do it. Pursuing excellence gives you space to learn and make mistakes and get through the growing pains that are inevitable when we do anything." (02:17 | Zovig Garboushian) 
"There's always room for change and for growth. Striving for excellence gives you the grace to learn and to make mistakes and to be yourself and to feel good while it's happening." (04:12 | Zovig Garboushian) 
"We have these tools and platforms that are supposed to connect us, and to a degree they do, but they allow for so much manipulation that our expectations are skewed of what's real and what's not." (09:06 | Zovig Garboushian)
"Perfectionism is not your personality. It isn't your identity. It's a coping mechanism. It works against you." (20:16 | Zovig Garboushian) 
"It is not your job to know everything. It is your job to be learning and evolving. That is the difference between perfection, which is impossible, and excellence, which is very possible. Perfection does not exist. It keeps us stuck in place. It tells us we have to know more before we can make a move. It prevents us from hitting send and publish and accept. If I waited to be perfect before I started this podcast, I'd be waiting until I died.  Perfection keeps us stuck and it allows for no growth." (25:21 | Zovig Garboushian) 
Links
Connect with Zovig Garboushian:
Website: www.boldnessablazecoaching.com
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E2: 6 Coaching Principles to Help You Feel Personal Freedom

"Let go or be dragged." This is one of the favorite quotes of host Zovig Garboushian that aligns perfectly with one of her executive coaching principles. In this episode of "When Does It Get Good," Zovig shares the transformative power of embracing six core principles in both coaching and personal life:
 
Take it or leave it.
You are always at choice.
Self-awareness is the antidote to self-doubt. 
There is no there.
You already know the answer.
We all have an essence.
 
These principles are not merely strategies; they are gateways to self-discovery and empowerment.  These can shift how we approach our choices, imbuing us with a sense of empowerment even in less than ideal circumstances.
 
Zovig advocates valuing the journey of growth over the pursuit of a non-existent state of perfection. She encourages embracing every step of this journey as an integral part of life, urging listeners to trust their inner wisdom and explore their unique value to the world.
 
Whether you're navigating leadership challenges, personal growth, or seeking a deeper understanding of your path, this episode serves as a guide to move forward. It invites you to embark on a journey of self-discovery, offering principles that promise to transform how you view yourself and your place in the world.
 
Quotes
"To be able to take something or leave something gives you freedom. It gives you freedom to be creative and try stuff. It gives you freedom to speak the truth and not worry so much about people not walking away or agreeing with you. It gives you the freedom to ask for what you need and not fear being rejected." (08:54 | Zovig Garboushian)
"Recognizing your value and knowing without a shadow of a doubt your worth is the antidote to self-doubt." (15:50 | Zovig Garboushian) 
"We spend a lot of time worrying about not knowing enough and looking foolish or silly in front of people and getting things wrong. All of that stuff can start to quiet when we develop a strong, continuous relationship with ourselves. Because when you understand yourself, it becomes harder to judge yourself. You know what you are, and more importantly, you know what you're not." (17:04 | Zovig Garboushian) 
"If we're always blocking the answers, by doing and doing and doing, we will not get to our own answers. You deserve the time to be quiet, have a moment of reflection, and just sort of ponder the things that are open-ended for you, the things that are meaningful for you, that if solved, or if answered, could change the course of your life." (24:56 | Zovig Garboushian)
"Understanding our essence helps us see how much more we are than how we typically see ourselves." (28:28 | Zovig Garboushian)
"Once we start to understand ourselves at the level of essence, we can then take things or leave things. We can see where we have freedom in our choices. We can move through doubt with more fluidity and ease. We are okay that there is no there for us to get to, and we can connect with the answers that we already have inside us." (31:37 | Zovig Garboushian) 
Links
Connect with Zovig Garboushian:
Website: www.boldnessablazecoaching.com
 
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